Just focus on the music, not the beating in my chest, I need a little help to beat my personal best.
Wednesday, November 6, 2019
1000 Posts, 1000 Memories
This is Puke on Your Birthday's 1000th blog post. Congrats, everybody. To celebrate, here my top 1000 memories from blogging!!!!
1. That time we bought Hurricane forties and drank at a construction property off of Susquehanna Ave., and me and Mandy and Mike decided to start a blog.
2. Not sure why anyone agreed to call it "Puke on Your Birthday," which is a terrible name for a blog, but I guess at age nineteen, the memory of puking on my eighteenth birthday after a power hour was still fresh on everyone's mind.
3. The head of the construction crew working the project probably saw that someone tripped the alarm and came to see if anyone was stealing copper wires and pipes, but instead just found some teens drinking malt liquor, and decided to let us stay.
4. I rode my dad's bike home, and it didn't have functioning breaks, I'm pretty sure?
5. Anyways, I started the blog that night. I guess. This was over eleven years ago.
6. There were other blogs. I had a personal one where I would write some emo shit and some music reviews... ya know, until PoYB became the place to dump all my emo shit and my music reviews.
7. I mostly bitched on that blog about how I was banned from the townhouses.
8. Anyways, Puke started as a "neighborhood blog," back when we all still lived in the old neighborhood.
9. That's why the picture on the top right of this screen is the Burholme Park water tower. We used to dream about scaling the fence around it and climbing up to the top, a la the Moon Tower from Dazed and Confused.
10. I miss caring about the place I lived that much. I love Port Richmond, but our little corner of the Great Northeast seemed magical when we were growing up...
11. ...but that probably had a lot to do with the fact that we were teens and the world was our oyster, and we could've lived anywhere and still felt those same magical feelings.
12. This blog tried to capture that feeling, at one point, to varying degrees of success.
13. The first blog post I ever wrote for PoYB was about some dude who used to buy us alcohol when we were underage.
14. I wish I knew more about this guy, and what ever happened to him. I would probably try to do some type of fake "serious journalist" bullshit for this blog and write a follow-up about him.
15. Though, I know that doing something like that would be unethical. It would be using someone's pain and misery for our blog enjoyment. I dunno. I wouldn't even know what he looks like.
16. I used to give him rides in parents' car, though, to the Wine and Spirits on Rising Sun Ave. I'm sure my mom and dad would be horrified to read this. I'm putting this at #16 so they stop reading.
17. Honestly, I'm not even sure if my parents have ever known the existence of Puke on Your Birthday. I gave my mom a link to Record Club's tag one time, but I doubt she ever followed up on it.
18. I don't think there's much on here that would be life-ending if my parents read it. Anything like that wouldn't be written in the first place. In fact, that's probably a good guideline for public blog writing in general—if you don't want your mom to know about it, DON'T FUCKING WRITE ABOUT IT.
19. I'm sure other parents have read Puke on Your Birthday. I don't know. I don't really ask when I'm with that type of company.
20. It's possible that friends have told me their parents read it? Though maybe I'm mixing that up with my old xanga.
21. That blog post I just linked to, the one about my old xanga site, still stands as the most clicked on blog post I've ever written. I guess it was the right balance of nostalgia? I have no idea.
22. Maybe it's just that it's a low bar to clear. When most of my posts get 0 to 1 clicks at most, it's not that hard to be the most-clicked.
23. Anyways, this blog used to have a steady roster of three-to-five writers.
24. I already mentioned Mandy and Mike. Nick used to write a little bit here too, and Dave eventually came on board when he needed an outlet for his frustrations from a flailing journalism career.
25. I usually tried to force other friends to write for it. One time I got Jim to write an Entourage review.
26. I also remember trying to force Frank to write something.
27. Being Frank, it took him a decade to comply, but he finally did.
28. Mandy used to live across the hall from me during that first semester that we had Puke in our lives. That made it easy for me to peer pressure her into writing shit.
29-43. It looks like she wrote fifteen posts. Some highlights: adderrall, lesbians, the first of many PoYB It's a Wonderful Life posts, Nickleback, etc. etc.
44. Me and Mandy went through a rough patch toward the end of Summer 2009, which maybe me and her will write about on this blog eventually, if we both find ourselves feeling drunk and emo around an audio recorder sometime.
45. The stake in the heart of our friendship at the time (we're cool now, thankfully) was removing her posting privileges from this blog. THAT'LL SHOW HER I said, somewhat pathetically.
46. Dave brought a certain degree of pedigree to the blog. He was writing for local sports papers at the time, I believe, and so a lot of his posts show some of the hallmarks of actually be trained to write.
47. Most of Dave's ten posts are long-form, which inspired me to always write that way on this blog (that, and a pushback against Twitter's 140-character-limit culture).
48-57. Some highlights: Dave hates Dallas fans, Dave hates sequels and reboots, Dave hates teens, Dave hates not being able to see the roofs of South Philly homes
58. Nick wrote some good shit. I always picture him as someone who would've fit in really well on La Salle's Improv 101 team, had he stuck around La Salle for more than half a semester. So, he's funny, is what I'm trying to say. Not that I'll ever admit that to his face!
59-61. Even his throwaway bullshit posts were funny, in a so-bad-they-are-good way.
62. One time Pam said that Nick looks like Kermit the Frog when he dances, and I cannot believe that Nick stopped writing on PoYB before he could defend himself against such a perfect insult.
63. Mike is a lawyer, so he hates that I'm writing about him on this blog.
64. I don't know what Mike wrote about. He deleted all his posts once he realized that he wanted to go to law school.
65. I asked him recently if he had saved anything he had written back then, and his response was a sarcastic, "Is that a serious question?"
66. I know he wrote about the band fun. one time, and—credit where credit is due—this was before they blew up in 2012 with the whole "We Are Young" thing.
67. I also know that he wrote about his memories hanging out in his parents' pool. I guess this was when his parents had decided to get rid of said pool. I remember the title was " A Pool-ogy," which I thought was a decent play on words.
68. He wrote something about me for my 21st birthday, which basically amounted to a roast, but like Frank Reynolds in that one episode of It's Always Sunny, I can appreciate that roasts can be a good way to show your affection for someone.
69-420. I do know for a fact that Mike wrote hundreds and hundreds of posts that mainly consisted of drug references, dick pics, crude jokes, and detailed descriptions of his sexual proclivities.
421. Those posts are all gone, and now Mike has a lawyering license, and sticks to writing about New Zealand pop punk.
422. There are plenty of other contributors to this blog. You can see them all gathered on one of the sidebars to your right.
423. Mostly, I force my friends to write about music. I'm thankful that I actually have friends that allow themselves to be peer-pressured into doing so.
424. I guess I've written a few blog posts in my day as well.
425. There are 764 posts tagged with the "Joe" tag.
426-427. That's not including any Your Favorite Movie posts (which take hours to create) or Album of the Week posts (which take minutes to create), because... I dunno why, it just seemed weird to tag those as my own, since they require help from others.
428. Anyways, I've wasted a lot of time on here. Which is silly.
429. But also relatively innocuous.
430. My dad asked me recently—referring to Your Favorite Movie specifically, but it could apply to blogging in general—"Yeah, but why do you do this? What's the point?" He wasn't being a dick; he was legitimately confused/curious.
431. The best way to think about it is to think about if I decided to take up building model trains in my basement. I have spare time in my life, and I fill it with something that gives me small pleasures. It does not benefit society in any measurable way. It's just a fucking hobby.
432. Let's talk about some of those "small pleasures." I have some favorite blog posts I've written, for sure.
433. First: You could probably break up Puke on Your Birthday's life into four distinct eras. We'll talk about each one separately. We have 567 more memories to fill out to get to 1000, so why the fuck not?
434. Okay, so there were The Early Days. This lasts from post #1 (the Andy one) to about the time Mike got out of dodge, and I just got busy with life and decided to give blogging a rest.
435. Some of my favorite blog posts that I wrote from that time, just skimming through them now: talking about my friends;
436. A review of the pilot for The O.C.
437. (which eventually got a sequel)
438. (which, I guess I should say that I don't necessarily agree with every blog post I've ever written, but I'm mainly listing ones here that I think reached some semblance of being well-written);
439. I had a séance with John Lennon;
440. Recapping the horrors of an old dorm room (me and Sean were just laughing our asses off about this a couple weeks ago);
441. Kev's and my old beer pong team (my cousin ended up marrying the sister of the villain in this story, and we laugh about it often);
442. This one proves that people actually used to comment on blogs;
443. This one proves that I've always written these long retrospectives, and I'll continue to do so forever;
444. I wrote about an old strip club, which marks probably the only time I've actually done research for anything on this blog
445. (and, okay, probably not the only time I've written about strip clubs, but Pam isn't cool with me going to strip clubs anymore, so I'll stop writing about them too, I swear!!!!!!!);
446. I wrote a really, really dumb post about saving your parking spot (like, really, really dumb), but at least it got a great comment down at the bottom;
447. I had fun making fun of the worst comic ever;
448. I dunno, now it just seems like I'm listing shit. This was supposed to be memories. I have some memories about actually writing posts, I guess?
449. Like, I used to think that I excelled in blogging if I did so drunkenly. There were plenty of nights that I would pop down in front of my laptop in Rockledge with one eye open and write a whole bunch of shit.
450. Those are the posts that don't seem to have aged all that well. Like this Taking Back Sunday concert review. Actually, naw, fuck it, that wasn't that bad.
451. But the point was that I was pretty drunk writing that. I've learned my lesson (No I haven't).
452. After a late 2010, the blog shut down for a while. "Rested," maybe. I would occasionally come back for some one-offs, most of them about Harry Potter.
453. Also, I blogged throughout the first half of 2012 under a different, more family-friendly blog umbrella. This was when me and Pam were living in Vegas.
454. Most of those posts have aged HORRIBLY. I was writing about our day-to-day lives out west, and yeah, our parents enjoyed it, but I can't imagine anyone else did. It was fucking masturbatory.
455. Fuck it. I moved all those posts over to PoYB at one point, so if you wanna read about our time in the city of sin for some fucking reason, click on the link.
456. Also during this period of "rest" from blogging, I was unemployed for a couple weeks, and decided that I would use some of that time to revive Puke. It didn't last long, and there isn't much there worth reading.
457. Okay, maybe this musical breakups one is okay.
458. Or maybe this list? I dunno. Clearly I was bored.
459. There is one post during that time period that I think about whenever I'm deciding whether I should write about a particular subject. I'm referring to the one about the Boy in the Box.
460. I guess it technically checked one box that was important when PoYB had originally started—the story takes place in Fox Chase, a neighborhood that we grew up in. But over time, I've decided that it's not the kind of shit I want to write about here.
461. That whole mode of thinking started when I told Pam that I wrote about it, and she responded, "Why?" and I didn't really have an answer for her.
462. This story about a murdered mystery boy has been covered from plenty of different angles, as I noted in the blog post, and Puke did the absolute bare minimum to put a personal spin on it. I'm not a journalist. Just stating the facts is not something we do here.
463. Now, I could see some scenario in which I use the story to try to pivot and speak about my own life, how I can relate, how I can empathize in a tangential way, or some such bullshit like that. And I do that a lot nowadays, use unrelated things to pivot to some emo treacle. But there needs to be an extra layer there. Writing about a news story isn't enough.
464. So anyways, I got hired by Zipcar by the end of that summer, and that job was not conducive to writing blog posts on the side, so besides some end-of-year music round-ups, I didn't blog at all for a few years.
465. Enter the third era of Puke on Your Birthday. This era, like the Vegas era, starts on a completely different blog, with a completely separate project, which I called Joe's New Summer.
466. The conceit was that I would do something "new" every day of a summer, from Memorial Day Friday to Labor Day.
467. "New" was a fluctuating concept, of course. Some days were more bullshit than others.
468. But I was able to say that I indeed did something new every day of the summer. Better yet, it gave me an excuse to blog about something every day.
469. Or, at least, I would blog for every day. Meaning that every day of the summer ended up having a blog post attached to it, but a lot of the time, those posts were written after the fact, and back-dated.
470-571. So that was 102 blog posts, lovingly typed up on Wordpress. Sometimes I literally just wrote about what I did that day. Some days, in the most Joe-K***-fashion ever, I would use the new thing as an excuse to write about something completely different. I don't feel like linking to anything here. Just check out the full list HERE.
572. And yeah, obviously I eventually moved all those posts over to Puke on Your Birthday as well, and they count toward the 1000. I wrote them on a blog, why wouldn't they count? I just wanted all my shit in the same place, ya know?
573. (I have another project being cooked up for 2020 that is in a very similar vein as Joe's New Summer, that will involve even more silly inane blog content, so look out for that one on 1/1/2020.)
574. That whole project gave me a taste of what it felt like to blog again. It felt fucking good. Also, I had moved to a job that I could actually blog while on the clock, so the time felt right to revive Puke again.
575. Also, there was that whole sobriety thing in late 2017. I don't know if I'll ever delve into the details about how why the sobriety stint happened. I've thought about it recently, but I don't think enough time has passed. It would be too painful for certain people reading.
576. But my point is that, the summer was over, I wasn't drinking anymore, and I had a lot of time on my hands, so I started blogging again. That lasted a few months, probably till the end of the year. But there were a lot of posts. Most of them shit (sensing a pattern?!). A lot of them were a skip down memory lane.
577. The Fourth Era, and the one we are currently in, began in early 2018. After a few weeks off, I started writing about music a lot. (I started drinking again too, so there's that.)
578. And it took me a little longer to get the balance right, but eventually, I started writing about music and personal shit in about equal measures.
579-618. There was Record Club, starting in February 2019, forty weeks and counting. Friends can listen to the same album and write reviews. It's fun!
619. And then Your Favorite Movie, which I already write enough for so I won't waste your time here.
620. But I did run into a high school acquaintance randomly the other day, and during our 30-second conversation he mentioned that he "saw those movie interviews" I was posting. So I guess the plastering of Facebook with links is working? I don't know. I don't know how I feel about someone I barely know only knowing me as that fucking guy who interviews friends about movies? It was strange.
621. Boy oh boy, this blog has been a great timewaster. Workdays fly by. I'm being serious here.
622. There's been some housecleaning over the past couple years.
623. I've organized everything with tags so you can easily separate posts by "nostalgia" or "drinking" or "Charlie Watts sucks ass."
624. I've changed all the - to —. Well, maybe not all of them. If you see a - that needs to be changed to a —, send me an email!
625. I've also changed all the "POYB" to the correct abbreviation style, "PoYB." Prepositions don't get capitalized in the middle of a phrase!!!!!!!
626. Also, I try not to write anyone's last name on here. Especially my own.
627. I've only had to straight-up delete one single blog post ever from this site, and that was one whose whole conceit was dependent on typing my last name. Basically, I googled other "Joe K***s" on the internet, and described why they sucked. It didn't work with the asterisks.
628. I've wanted to delete certain posts, but I think I'm going to stick with the Warner Bros. technique—keep 'em up for historical value, but make it clear that I know longer think this way.
629-960. Is anything still reading this?
961. I can't stress enough how much Record Club has juked the stats on this race to 1000 posts. When other people are writing for this blog, the posts stack up a lot more quickly. Not that there are dozens of reviews every week, but there's at least one or two more each week than there would've been otherwise.
962. And man, it's so damn fun getting friends in on the Puke on Your Birthday fun again. It was lonely in that decade that it was just me.
963. My favorite album that we've done, in terms of the actual music, is probably Dogrel.
964. My favorite album that we've done, in terms of writing the review for, was probably either Lizzo or Hozier.
965. My favorite album that we've done, in terms of the reaction that it elicited from the group, was obviously Ashlee Simpson.
966. I compare Record Club with Beer Runners in my mind a lot, at least in a conceptual framework type of way. Both clubs are ostensibly about something (writing, running), but are actually about something else (listening, drinking). I roped the same friends into both. Both clubs had plenty of members but only a handful of weekly participants. No repeats for either albums or bars. Not repeating is easy because there are so many albums and so many bars to choose from.
967. Also, writing about Beer Runners was pretty fun that one time.
968. Alright, and I'll write about Your Favorite Movie, even though I promised I wouldn't anymore.
969. I've made it pretty clear in the interviews themselves how much I love having an excuse to hang out with friends at this point in my life.
970. But in addition to that, I feel like I'm getting better at conversing with people. I've found that I'm asking more questions when hanging out with friends. What's the opposite of small talk? "Big talk"? I'm doing more of that, whatever you call it.
971. Also, that skill—again, not saying I'm even good at it, just minutely better than I was before—is bleeding over to my work. It's weirdly easier to talk to, for instance, a six-year-old who is getting caught in the middle of her parents' domestic violence concerns, even though our conversation has nothing to do with socio-political metaphors in The Little Mermaid or whatever.
972. My favorite YFM that I've done, in terms of the actual movie, was probably The Big Chill.
973. My favorite YFM that I've done, in terms of thinking about the movie critically, was probably When Harry Met Sally...
974. My favorite YFM that I've done, in terms of how I felt immediately after the conversation, was probably The Wolf of Wall Street, even though I felt worse about it after transcribing.
975. My favorite YFM that I've done, in terms of how I felt when I clicked "publish," was definitely Beetlejuice.
976. My favorite YFM interview overall was probably The Wizard of Oz, mainly because the interviewee was knowledgeable, and it gave me a feeling of, "alright, maybe this whole project is gonna work out." Or maybe Life Aquatic, which made me think that this project could reach the heights that I had hoped for.
977. Alright, talking superlatives is kind of fun. The post that was the most talked about in the real world was probably "Friends of the Blog," which was so dumb, and so fun to write, and caused a weird pocket of drama that I don't even know if I fully understand yet?
978. The non-YFM post that took the longest to write was probably "My 20s." I still go back and read and laugh at some of that shit. I live a good life.
979. I describe a lot of my writing as "dumb" as some kind of defense mechanism, but is there one that is actually THE DUMBEST? Probably. I think the "Let's Contact Satan" one is incredible unfunny and pointless. It started from the idea of "let's write something for post #666" and didn't really go anywhere exciting from there.
980. (I've thought about adding a "humor" tag on occasion, but man, when I read shit like that, I cringe at what I could ever consider "humorous" about anything that I write.)
981. This list was extremely long and pointless and masturbatory.
982-985. That whole short series where I made the same complaint over and over about sharing pictures of your child was a one-joke premise and went on for too long.
986. Oh yeah, this one is bad. It's part of my Joe's New Summer project, and it was one of the few that even Pam admitted was bad.
987-988. But let's talk best, even though I lose my humility by doing so. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the fake MySpace surveys that I wrote (I, II), which I feel like respectively hit the right tones of emo (for I) and humor (for II) that I strive for here. But maybe you think they are respectively cloying (for I) and cringe-worthy (for II). To each their own.
989. I put a lot of heart into that Harry Potter time-turner one from way back in the day. I even rewrote it a few years later for clarity. I'm proud of my argument there. Arguments about stupid shit are the best.
990. The baby names list was a blast too. Funny story—the name "Willow" was originally on this list, but I had to edit it out once we decided on what to name our daughter.
991. I don't know if my years will ever be exciting like my year was in 2014 to warrant such a post as this, but man, that was a good one.
992. The one where I shit on a local pizza mascot was great, only because of what I totally missed (see the comments).
993. My favorite post ever—I think I feel comfortable saying that—has to be "An Hour of Power: The Aftermath." The previous post was created the same night, which was a list of all 61 toasts we gave during a power hour, but I kept the audio recorder running until the party busted up, and transcribed that too, and it captured what I think is the truest documentation ever of what me and my friends used to do back in the day—get drunk, stay safe, and act like fucking idiots.
994. Gosh, I could go on and on. Totally tooting my own horn here—I'm so sorry—but I enjoy going back and reading this stuff. It's like reading an old diary.
995. I don't have any presumption that anyone else truly gives a shit about any of this. Seriously. I am at peace with it. I'm not out there slinging this blog for clicks to get paid. It's just something I do.
996. I don't even think that it's changed anyone's opinion on anything or given anyone anything to think about besides an occasional timewaster.
997. Some of my friends mention blog posts in real life (especially the YFM posts, recently), and that makes me feel good. I am happy that a few people have visited this dumb site a few times.
998. And I'm happy that I have somewhere to write my thoughts, however unimportant or forgettable they are. I'm gonna continue to do it.
999. Think back to that model trains metaphor. If I was into that, I would be happy spending a few hours a week in my basement tinkering with the cars and the tracks. And I would definitely be happy if, very occasionally, a friend pops down to say hey and to maybe say, "wow, this is cool," and then not give it another thought. That would be fine. Same here at the blog. I'm happy that you read this. I'm at peace with the fact that it ultimately means nothing to anyone.
1000. Here's to 1000 more blog posts. Thanks for reading.
Tuesday, November 5, 2019
Your Favorite Movie: Interstellar, with Brianna K.
Welcome back to Your Favorite Movie, where we hang out with a loved one and talk to them about their favorite movie of all time for TWENTY-THREE YEARS.
Traveling through the wormhole this week is my sister, Brianna K***. If you've been to any music festival in the past few years, she's the chick with the big sign that implores you to come dance with her and her friends (just don't ride in any school buses with them as they cross state lines).
Her favorite movie of all time is Interstellar, the big Christopher Nolan space epic from just a few years ago. You might not understand all the science, but you understand the heart. It's a great movie. And pretty recent too!
Brianna was in a car crash earlier in the day, but she didn't let that stop her from coming over to our house and talking with me and Pam about her movie (her boyfriend Shane bailed, most likely because—let's put this on the record—he FUCKING HATES Interstellar). Below is our conversation, transcribed with Bri's permission, and edited slightly because Port Richmond is loud.
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Brianna: Yes.
Joe: And you can talk about that. But I also want to talk about, ya know, what that says about your movie-watching habits, that this supersedes any movie you watched growing up. Because that's usually the kind of shit that I get in these interviews. Interstellar was not a movie you saw growing up, as a child, obviously. Is that just a mark of how good of a movie it is, or does that say something about your personality?
Brianna: It probably says something about why I enjoy movies. For me, Interstellar, why it's my favorite was very much about the experience, I guess. Being in the theater, being speechless throughout the whole thing. Everyone was leaving the theater, looking at each other like, "I don't even know if I can talk about this right now. I need to process what it is." I love going to the movie theater. It's my favorite way to watch a movie. Ya know, I like sitting on the couch with a glass of wine. But going to the movies is ideal, for the movies that I want to see.
Joe: Did you see this in IMAX?
Brianna: I did not see it in IMAX, which is surprising. We were in the second row at the Movie Tavern in West Chester.
Joe: It's way more expensive to see it in IMAX, so...
Brianna: Right?
Joe: I would choose not to see it in IMAX too.
Brianna: So that was definitely a big part of it, just being there and watching it. Whereas, probably my favorite movie before I saw Interstellar would be something like Stand by Me—that's definitely up there—maybe something like Toy Story or something—which, I don't know. I guess didn't see that in theaters, it was a long time ago. But yeah, it was definitely the experience of it all.
Pam: The ending is sort of a twist. Would you consider it a twist?
Brianna: Yeah!
Pam: Do you go into it knowing anything about the ending?
Brianna: That's probably another reason why it was my favorite, especially in terms of recent movies. I went in knowing absolutely nothing about it. The way they marketed Interstellar were genius. The trailers were very vague. You knew it was Matthew McConaughey, they had the scene where he's driving away from the house, heading to space, and he's crying. They had the Hans Zimmerman score. But that was it! It was like, "I know he goes to space, I know he's a farmer, but... what else is this movie about?" And I didn't know anything, and I was blown away by everything that was on screen. Whereas I feel like if it was a trailer—I don't want to say "these days," because trailers have not always been great—but I feel like a typical trailer would've shown that he was working with NASA, and that was such a shocker, like, "It's NASA, oh my god, that's crazy!"
Joe: They would've showed the wormhole, and shit like that.
Brianna: The only major thing they showed in the trailer was the planet with the waves, them going, "Oh my god!" and seeing the waves. But that was it! We didn't know why they were there, or what ultimately happened.
Pam: And it could've been Earth, because it was just water. You wouldn't get that from the trailer anyway, that that was another planet.
Brianna: Exactly.
Joe: I can imagine that would be pretty cool, seeing this in theaters. I watched it—well, me and Pam watched the first hour separately, and then met up after the wormhole section, just so we wouldn't fall asleep at night while watching it—
Brianna: It is a long movie, so I don't blame you. That's a good approach.
Joe: But I watched the first hour on my shitty little phone, so it was cool moving to the TV, and having all the space parts a little more blown up.
Brianna: Oh yeah. And the big screen at the movie theater—it was definitely one of those moments where I lost the fact that I was sitting in a movie theater. Ya know?
Joe: Who did you go with?
Brianna: Um... [laughter] My ex-boyfriend. And a couple of his friends. Is this all off the record? [laughter]
Joe: Did they all feel the same way?
Brianna: Oh yeah. We all left that like, "Okay, let's get back to West Chester first, and then we can talk about it."
Joe: So when I start the Puke on Your Birthday blog series about friends' and family's exes and their favorite movies of all time... would he say the same thing about this movie? Is this his favorite movie?
Brianna: ...Maybe! [laughter]
Pam: I think he would be the only one you'd be able to interview for that series.
Joe: I'm definitely joking about interviewing exes! Shane, I'm joking! Shane, if you're reading this, come by anytime. Brianna's ex-boyfriends, if you are reading this, you are not invited!
Pam: Bob might beat up Jenny's exes if you tried to interview them. Does Jenn have any exes?
Joe: Yeah, Matt S****.
Pam: Would Bob try to beat him up?
Joe: Maybe! Matt was in my band. We were called "The."
Pam: I thought you were in Burholme.
Joe: This predates Burholme.
Pam: Oh, okay.
Joe: Getting way off track. [laughter] It was a very "large" movie. I feel like it was trying to say a lot of things. Which is good sometimes! I guess some critics thought it was "messy," in a Christopher Nolan-type of way. I didn't necessarily agree with that. I thought it was a well-told story.
Pam: Is Christopher Nolan "messy"?
Joe: Just like, he packs a lot into his movies.
Pam: What else has he directed?
Joe: Well, I just watched The Prestige this morning. [Editor's note: Interview coming next week!] He directed the Batman trilogy.
Pam: The Dwyer Batman movies?
Brianna: Yeah, all three, and all three are phenomenal. I'm a big Christopher Nolan fan. What else did he do?
Joe: Inception. And Memento.
Pam: Okay, so those are all... those all have a lot packed into them.
Joe: Oh, and Dunkirk! This is probably the first director we've talked about in these interviews that I've seen more than fifty percent of his movies.
Pam: Me too!
Brianna: He's got a lot of really good ones.
Joe: So I guess he just has that style. These big, bombastic movies. And it was... so cool. Like you said, thinking about, ya know, "What if this was real?"
Brianna: It reminded me at some points of Black Mirror, that type of feeling. Just distant enough in the future, like, it's not here yet, but...
Pam: But if trump gets elected in 2020, it's definitely more of a possibility.
Joe: Oh god.
Pam: No food. Air is completely polluted.
Brianna: And they're talking about the moon landing like it didn't happen.
Pam: How history is being rewritten!
Brianna: How they want to worry about "here" and not space. Which I guess I get on some level, but, it was like, "Oh shit," the way truth was being manipulated like that...
Joe: Was this movie a conservative's wet dream? With all this happening. When they were like, "Your kid has to be a farmer," that's exactly what conservatives would love. Like, "You don't have to go to some highfalutin college! You can be a farmer!"
Pam: I guess it was poor people who were suffering.
Joe: Yeah, they didn't really go into what society's class structure looked like at that time.
Brianna: That would've been too much, I think. [laughter] We have just enough of an understanding of the disaster of it all, without getting too deep into it.
Joe: And we definitely don't need to speculate on that, or... we don't even have to do more than dip our toes into the political waters for this interview.
Pam: But it had to be some kind of commentary on what's happening to the earth now, right?
Joe: Climate change, yeah.
Pam: It's definitely not impossible that all that would happen.
Joe: It's not. It gives me the same sinking feeling, thinking about the condition we're leaving the earth, as thinking about... dying? Just, like, this powerless feeling, that we're just fucking Willow and her generation.
Brianna: I wasn't thinking about those levels when I recommended the movie, but then it was like... man, it definitely hits hard. Especially, I can imagine, as new parents. Being in that position. Would you go into space to save mankind?
Pam: A huge theme of the movie is about him and his kids.
Brianna: It's the center of the movie. About the love and the family.
Pam: I hope there's a kid in Willow's generation that can solve all this.
Joe: Because we're certainly not solving it. I dunno. I have a tough time recycling. Not that me recycling this beer bottle is going to do jackshit in the long run. Christ, Philadelphia won't even put it the recycling pile. I might as well just throw it in the trash.
Brianna: If there's one pizza box with grease on it in the recycling, the whole thing goes in the trash.
Pam: There's pizza boxes in the street, the recyclable collectors just throw them!
Joe: [Sigh] I guess we'll be thinking about all this when the new Dust Bowl comes.
Pam: I remember when Hannah lived in Scottsdale, Arizona, there were dust storms like that. Not that that's an apocalypse thing, but it's an example of something in the extreme.
Brianna: I like that element of the movie too. Not only visually, like when they had the big dust storm at the Yankees game—which I got a kick out of—
Joe: [laughter] Fuck the Yankees! Let's get that on the record. The dude missed an easy ground ball. Just like the 2019 Yankees!!
Brianna: Go Birds. I liked too how they're talking at the beginning, and it comes full circle with the museum at the end. How they're talking about, from a historical perspective, what the dust was like. "Remember when everything was covered in dust?" It's a neat little element.
Pam: And there was the baseball game that's going on, out the hospital window. That's when he realized it was fixed. The sky was clear.
Joe: I think a lot of those Dust Bowl clips were actually from a Ken Burns documentary about the actual Dust Bowl? He consulted with Ken Burns, and got his permission.
Brianna: Great, I love it even more now! [laughter]
Joe: Pam was watching the country documentary, but I was like, "Ahh... it's a little too much."
Brianna: I saw a billboard for that, and was like, "Oh Ken, you cover it all." Country music, civil war, whatever.
Joe: So, I guess "it's happened before, it could happen again," that type of thing.
Brianna: On a much larger scale!
Joe: Have you looked into the science behind any of this? Were you interested in that aspect of it?
Brianna: A little bit. Not this most recent time I watched it, but at one point, at our house, we had a big "Interstellar Night," because there were some people there that hadn't seen it yet. Our one friend—who's an engineer, so he's into all that stuff more than the rest of us—but he had read the book based on this...
Joe: The Science of Interstellar.
Brianna: And a lot of it went over my head.
Joe: It was written by Kip Thorne, who was the scientific consultant for the movie.
Pam: Was this the science behind the space stuff, or the earth stuff, or both?
Brianna: I think a little bit of both? The space stuff, for sure. Like, the relativity stuff, the wormhole.
Joe: He's an astrophysicist. We'll talk about an astrobiologist later. But what was your friend saying?
Brianna: Just that it was all very legitimate, the way they did everything in the movie, and how he respected how—just like in The Martian—how they made sure everything was based in science. To a point.
Pam: He didn't see that one.
Joe: I saw bits and pieces.
Pam: You did?
Joe: Don't call me out during the interview with that shit!
Pam: That was Matt Damon too, right?
Brianna: Aw man, I have a note in my phone about this movie that just says, "Fuck Matt Damon."
Pam: Right?
Brianna: His whole part in this makes me so mad.
Pam: He was barely in it, but he was such a dick. He was horrible.
Joe: Yeah, the ice planet he was on kind of reminded me of Boston. [laughter] Cold and lifeless.
Pam: Where was Ben Affleck?
Joe: Okay, so... Kip Thorne—you were saying, about how real it was—he had two rules when they were writing the script. Nothing could violate established physical laws, and any wild speculation that came about in writing it had to be from a scientific perspective. It couldn't be from a screenwriting perspective.
Brianna: Okay.
Joe: And he said only one thing violated those rules. When they bumped the ice clouds? When they entered Matt Damon's planet.
Pam: That's it?
Joe: Yeah, apparently those clouds would've been too heavy to stay in the air. But other than that! At least based in science. Or if it wasn't known, then based in theoretical science that exists.
Pam: That's really cool, because there was a lot of shit in this movie that was like, "This is way over my head."
Joe: A lot of jargon.
Brianna: That's one reason I took notes, I was like, "I need to make sure I get this all in order," because it is a lot.
Pam: Just wrapping my mind around this movie, it was so much.
Joe: Even the one scientist who tried to explain wormholes, and "explain it like I'm five."
Brianna: With the sphere, right? I was like, "I still don't get how it's a sphere, but..."
Joe: Yeah, it's like... I get that there is a theory that time would speed up or slow down depending on where you are or how fast your going, but I'll never get how.
Brianna: The gravity thing... yeah. I get that that's legit, but... not really. It did a number on my brain. "It's been twenty-three years" and I was like "WHAT?!"
Joe: And how he's in the library because the five-dimensional beings created a three-dimensional world, to do... something...? To allow him to help himself?
Brianna: To help him... the idea being it's them in the future, humans actually helping them down the line... it's a lot. But! Very cool to watch. [laughter]
Joe: I don't necessarily even think that realism is that important to movies? Does the realism in this movie play against the idea of "film magic" at all?
Brianna: See, that's something too, when we were watching it before and had this conversation. There was the scene in the beginning where they had the flat tire, and they see the drone thing, and they go through the corn field, and Shane and Pooney were busting my balls, like, [obnoxious voice] "Oh, you're telling me this is legit? That someone would be able to do this?" It's like, you can't think like that when you're watching this!
Joe: If it was more fantastical, if it was, like, a flying demon with wings who spoke Spanish or something, it might be more believable when you're watching the movie... not more "believable," but more accepted, as a movie thing. People are more accepting of fantasy than near-realism.
Brianna: Exactly. But because it's a drone, they were like, "Oh he just used a screwdriver to open it up? That's crazy." I was like, "Yeah he did. It's whatever. It's what happens." Let's not think too deep.
Pam: That's what they thought stretched believability?
Brianna: They were mostly just busting my balls at that point, because they knew I was taking it seriously. [laughter]
Joe: Is that why Shane skipped on this interview?
Brianna: I'm sure he wished that was the reason. But he's moving furniture right now.
Joe: So, there was another... I just want to bring this guy up. David Grinspoon, who was the only scientist who had issues with the science in this movie. Because, like you [Pam] were saying, about space versus earth science. He is an astrobiologist, so he was more concerned about the reality of the earth dying for whatever reason. They explain in the movie that it was the oxygen being eaten up by the nitrogen or something?
Brianna: Yeah. The blights, I guess, were destroying the plants, and released nitrogen, or ate oxygen? It was something like that.
Joe: I read an interview with him, and he was like, "A blight would take millions of years for the oxygen to be depleted to that level"—
Pam: Well that's good to know.
Joe: —"So I know I sound like a snob, and I enjoyed the movie..."
Pam: It makes me feel a little bit better. [laughter]
Joe: He was talking about a blight, specifically. Temperatures are still rising!
Brianna: Climate change is very real!
Joe: I wonder if in our lifetimes we'll see any significant shit from climate change. Right now, it's like, "Oh, they had to pump more sand onto Wildwood's beach." But, are we going to have to do something crazy in our lifetime? I don't know. I selfishly hope not.
Pam: There are ecosystems that are being destroyed. Climate change is already affecting that.
Brianna: Yeah, and there's a part of Africa that have been flooding for a month, and like thousands of people are missing.
Joe: Do we agree that the movie that we are just irrevocably fucked, and we have to find somewhere else?
Brianna: I don't know. I saw a quote the other day—it's not the most uplifting thing—but it was a scientist, like, "If we can't take care of this perfect planet, if we can't handle this, do we really think we can go and design something for ourselves?" We were literally given the perfect place on a platter, and we're fucking it up. What makes us think we can go somewhere else and not do the same thing?
Joe: True!
Brianna: So I dunno. I guess that's ultimately where the leaders in the world in Interstellar ultimately got to. That's why they disbanned NASA, because they were like, "We need to worry about this planet." And the farmers. Why waste time trying to figure anything else out when we have very real issues here? I get that on some level, but it's a little extreme.
Joe: How does this movie's dystopian future compare with other movies with near-future dystopias?
Pam: The one I was thinking of—when we were talking about changes we might see in our lifetime—this is scary—is The Handmaid's Tale.
Joe: What's scarier, Interstellar or Handmaid's Tale?
Brianna: I feel like Interstellar is scarier because there's not a "bad guy," per se, that you can point the finger at.
Pam: It's just, "We're all going to die."
Joe: There's no "resistance movement" that can resist the dust.
Brianna: Exactly. Handmaid's Tale is like, "Let's get a revolution going, maybe we can overthrow!" Interstellar is just like, "Shit... here we go."
Pam: That's why climate change is so scary!
Joe: The one I was thinking of was WALL-E.
Pam: I've never seen that one.
Joe: Basically, there are robots, like WALL-E, that are left on earth to "clean it up." And eventually they end up on the ship where all the humans escaped to, and they got all fat. By the end of the movie, the humans go back to earth themselves, and start cleaning it up, and start a whole new world.
Brianna: WALL-E has convinced them by showing them that it's possible.
Joe: So I guess that was—in true, kids movie, Pixar form—it was very optimistic. Like, yeah, you can fuck up the earth, but we can always fix it! I don't know if I'm that optimistic.
Pam: I mean, we can fix it now. It's still fixable. It's not "fucked no matter what," at this point.
Joe: But that would require the humans in charge of that to actually want to take action, like in WALL-E. And I don't think they do. They're too worried about their own bank accounts.
Pam: I think there are people who do care, and are trying to make positive changes.
Joe: Absolutely. Yeah, that sixteen-year-old girl from Sweden, right?
Brianna: Greta Thunburg.
Pam: Is that why Woody Harrelson had a T-shirt on with a picture of her at the end of SNL? He was thanking everyone, and was like, "And of course, Greta!" And I was like, "Who's that? Is that his daughter or something?"
Brianna: Yeah, she's a big a big activist. She went in front of the U.N., and was like, "Fuck you guys! You're looking to me to be hopeful?! You're here, do something about it! I'm just a kid! I can't do shit! It's up to you!"
Joe: All the conservatives who are fragile snowflakes were very offended by this sixteen-year-old girl yelling at them.
Pam: In Big Little Lies—I know you didn't watch the second season—
Joe: "In the dystopian future of Big Little Lies"?
Pam: They teach climate change, and all the kids get very upset. I guess that's something Willow is going to be learning about.
Brianna: I talk about it all the time to my class. "It's real!"
Joe: It's truth.
Pam: Definitely something to keep you up at night.
Joe: Here's a more optimistic thing I saw in this movie. I was kind of... I was surprised and glad that the robot characters in this movie didn't turn out to be turncoats, or evil or something? I feel like that's pretty rare, in movies that feature robots that are this intelligent. Normally, it's like, "These robots are too intelligent, and they are going to take over the humans!" These guys were programmed to be loyal.
Brianna: TARS is one of my favorite characters. He's funny.
Joe: It kinda reminded me of an album that came out this year. I listened to it, and I fucking hated it. It's called PROTO. It's by this chick Holly Herndon. She trained a robot to sing with her on this album?
Brianna: That... sounds like it could go horribly wrong.
Joe: It did. [laughter] It was shit. I mean, as someone who listens to music, it was shit. As someone who is interested in—not that I'm this person—but if you're interested in that kinda shit, it was cool hearing Holly Herndon talk about it. Her big thing about this album was, ya know, that robots get a bad rap in pop culture as these things that are going to take over the world, and should be mistrusted. Her point was that it was the people who control the robots who should be mistrusted. The first people who are going to get the robots are, like, fucking GE and GM. They're going to be the ones using the robots for nefarious purposes. But... robots in general don't have to be feared.
Brianna: As seen in TARS and CASE!
Joe: That was so funny, all the bits about raising and lowering their humor levels.
Brianna: [laughter] And their honesty levels. "Too much! Too much! Turn it down!"
Joe: Apparently the dude who voiced TARS also did the puppetry—I guess they called it "puppetry," but he probably controlled it with a switchboard or something? And he guy doing this had to be digitally erased from each scene. Bill Irvin.
Brianna: Very interesting.
Joe: Um, I... am going to get a beer real quick at this point. A couple, probably? Or should I drink this wine on the table here?
Pam: I don't care. Whatever you want.
Brianna: Can you bring a glass? After I'm done this beer, I'll have a little bit of wine.
Pam: Do you want ice?
Brianna: [laughter] No.
Pam: I dunno, you're a K***.
Joe: Not for red! Jeez!
Brianna: C'mon, we have a little bit of class!
Pam: Tell your dad that! He drinks wine with ice!
[break to get more alcohol]
Joe: Speaking of Dad...
[laughter]
Joe: What are your thoughts about the father-daughter relationship in this movie? And how powerful it was? Speak to that a little bit.
Brianna: It made me cry a lot. [laughter] I thought it was very... it was real. Not that I'm... well, no, I'm on the other side of that. I'm not a dad, but I'm a daughter. Jesus Christ.
Joe: Right, that's what I'm curious about.
Brianna: Yeah! At the center of the movie—yeah, it's all science, it's all realistic and stuff—but the Murph/Cooper relationship, that's the center of what it's all about. It's literally what saves humanity. That bond. I love the part—and I'm not a huge Anne Hathaway fan, but I like her in this movie—
Pam: She's polarizing.
Brianna: I know! But I'm not going to make that a point—
Joe: We'll come back to that. I want everyone who doesn't like Anne Hathaway on record as to why. Because you won't be able to explain it sufficiently. You have no fucking reason!
Brianna: I know, I won't be able to. But anyway... I loved her monologue, when she was trying to get them to Wolf's planet. She was like, "Love—it's not quantifiable, but we know it exists, and maybe that means something." And it eventually does, in terms of saving the planet.
Pam: It was the only other force that can travel through dimensions, right?
Brianna: I really appreciated the relationship throughout. The one scene, when he's watching all the tapes, and she comes on. "I'm the age you were when you left." It's like, holy shit, I can't imagine.
Joe: So when Matthew McConaughey was reacting to those videos... is that how dad reacted this morning when you called him about your car accident? [laughter]
Brianna: He held it together very well. [laughter] But he kept saying, "Everything's okay! Everything's okay!"
Joe: Is there anything about your and dad's relationship that you would compare to Murph and Cooper's relationship?
Brianna: I dunno. I feel like it just resonates the length that any father would go for his kids. It is zeroed in on Murph, but it's about everyone. He was willing to go into a black hole, without knowing what was going to happen, to save his kid. Like... dad left work today to help me with my car! [laughter] He didn't have to! But just the commitment to that relationship, I respect, and feel.
Joe: How about how Murph took after Cooper? His profession, specifically, but also his general demeanor. Especially when she was a kid, acting like her dad.
Brianna: Absolutely, very stubborn.
Joe: I know Pam often speculates that you more take after Dad, and Jenny more takes after Mom. I don't know if you see that as accurate.
Brianna: I could see that. In terms of interests, music... I've been on a real big Stephen King kick over the past year, and that's been fun, talking to Dad about it, and having that to relate to.
Joe: So when the government comes and tries to edit the Stephen King books, Dad will give you the stuff you can bring into school to prove them wrong.
Brianna: [laughter] Exactly. "The original version of It! With the kid orgy scene in it! The government doesn't want it there, but it's there!"
Joe: "I can't believe schools are cutting that!" Is that in the new movie? The kid orgy scene?
Brianna: No! I just saw it on Saturday...
[It discussion. I'm cutting it, but I'll take full responsibility for it happening in the first place.]
Brianna: So anyway! Interstellar!
Joe: We touched on how good McConaughey was in that one scene. I thought he did a great job overall. There was a lot of good acting in this. I liked how Timothee Chalamet showed up for a little bit.
Pam: There's a lot of big actors in this movie!
Joe: Me and Pam were saying that we didn't know who was in it besides Matthew McConaughey, so when people were popping up, it was like—
Brianna: "Jessica Chastain! Matt Damon!"
Pam: I didn't know Michael Caine was in it.
Joe: He's in like every Christopher Nolan movie.
Brianna: He really is.
Joe: And you said you liked Anne Hathaway's acting in this.
Brianna: Yeah, I liked her story, I like her character.
Joe: Explain, put it on the record. Why don't you like Anne Hathaway?
Brianna: I don't know! There's something about... it's the same thing with Katy Perry, and the way she acts? Though Anne Hathaway, for a while now, I've been coming to terms with that I'm cool with her, maybe since Interstellar? But there were times, maybe her personality just wasn't one that... maybe I couldn't relate to?
Joe: This discussion used to be a lot more heated back in the day, probably around Les Mis, when she won that Oscar?
Brianna: Oh, I thought she was phenomenal in that too. I give a lot of credit to her, I feel like she's a great actor.
Joe: But I feel like I had this argument more so around that time then I have recently. I think that was mainly... Anne Hathaway kind of felt the heat, and stepped away from the limelight for a little bit, because of that. But I'll say my theory from back in the day—this is like digging into the archives—I always used to say that it was just girl-on-girl crime when it came to hatred of Hathaway. It was always women who didn't like Anne Hathaway, and they were never able to satisfactorily explain why they didn't like her, they just didn't like her.
Pam: It was just... I mean, I don't mind her. I don't love her.
Brianna: I respect her very much as an actress. I think she's proven that. It's just her personality otherwise that, at times, I just don't get. It's a little too... I dunno.
Joe: She definitely comes off as someone that would be in the Masque, and be really fucking into it.
Pam: Weren't her parents in the Masque?
Joe: Her parents were in the Masque. Maybe that's why I'm saying it. But also, I knew people in the Masque that—probably people who I no longer hang out with for the most part, unfortunately—who were very in-your-face, and energetic, and very into acting and theater, and... whereas my theater friends wanted to just hang around and drink, and acting was secondary. Just a clashing of personalities, I guess? But I didn't mind any of that? I dunno. These are all things I used to say back in 2014, when this was a big discussion point among my friends, like, "Why do you fucking hate Anne Hathaway?!" Because she's a good actress, and I can't see that she's done anything wrong.
Brianna: Yes. On the record—loved her in this movie. Generally like her as an actress.
Joe: She did a great job in this!
Brianna: Really good.
Joe: I would say something if she slipped up at all. I'm hard on actors.
Pam: She's very professional. She's won an Oscar.
Joe: So she was planting humans, I guess, when she landed on her dead ex-lover's planet?
Brianna: Yes! I guess so.
Joe: I know Cooper was going out to find her or whatever. So he'll be crash landing onto a planet with 900 fetuses or whatever?
Pam: Wait, how did they do that again?
Joe: They just had a big box full of fetuses that they could plant on a planet.
Brianna: Fertilized eggs.
Joe: This was "Plan B."
Brianna: They explained it very briefly, like at first it was going to be an incubator deal, and eventually they would be human.
Pam: So McConaughey wasn't going out there to procreate with her? Or maybe he was.
Joe: I guess he could.
Brianna: So, at this point, the humans are in all these different space stations. Is that just their life now? Just chilling out there? Or are they going to Anne Hathaway's planet? I wasn't sure about that.
Joe: I mean, Cooper stole only one of a few space crafts, so they were probably doing a little more exploring from that base.
Brianna: Is the wormhole still open?
Joe: I think it's similar to Inception's spinning top. "Are they still in the inception still, or are they not?" Unanswered questions.
Brianna: Which are good to have!
Joe: Are the English going to win the war in Dunkirk? You just don't know.
Brianna: What's going to happen to Tom Hardy when he was captured? Is he going to be killed by the Nazis?
Joe: There ya go, yes. You saved a bad joke. You really don't know what's going to happen with that character. What's some other stuff you liked from this movie? You said you had a list there.
Brianna: All the artistic stuff I thought was fantastic, just how it all looked. Particularly the scene before they go into the wormhole, and they see Saturn and all that... it just blew me away. The score, Hans Zimmerman—
Pam: The score was pretty ominous, I thought.
Brianna: Very dramatic.
Joe: All these things got nominated for Oscars, that you're talking about.
Brianna: Yeah, and those were the only big nominations. McConaughey didn't get nominated, nothing from acting. It was all about the visual, the sound.
Joe: Which was kind of surprising, the McConaughey snub.
Pam: Yeah, I was surprised he wasn't nominated.
Brianna: I was very shocked too, but maybe it was a big year? There were some other big contenders.
Joe: That was the year Birdman won.
Pam: Did Michael Keaton win for Best Actor?
Joe: No, and we'll get to that in a second. It lost to Budapest for Original Score. It lost to Budapest for Production Design. It lost to American Sniper in Sound Editing. It lost to Whiplash in Sound Mixing, which...
Pam: Can't argue with that.
Joe: They mixed those drum sounds pretty well. But it won in Visual Effects. So it went one for five. It wasn't nominated in anything else, like, any of the heavy hitter awards.
[The conversation continues here with Brianna reading the list for the 2014 Oscars, which is the year that Interstellar came out, but not the year it was eligible. That would be the 2015 Oscars. This also means that I am cutting two subsequent mentions by Pam of 12 Years a Slave, because that has nothing to do with this, and she was misinformed. Wrong year! Let's continue.]
Joe: Here is a funny anecdote that I put together, regarding who won that year for Best Actor. So, Kip Thorne, who we already talked about, was friends with Stephen Hawking. And they, back in the day, made a bet about black holes. They disagreed about the science behind it. It was a very scientific bet with a very juvenile outcome—whoever lost was going to be subscribed to Penthouse for a year. So, after a decade or so, Stephen Hawking realized that he was wrong in this bet, regarding the science behind black holes. So he read Penthouse for a year. And this whole anecdote that Stephen Hawking had described in his book was portrayed in the movie The Theory of Everything, for which Eddie Redmayne won, this year, the Oscar for Best Actor. So while Stephen Hawking lost the battle, he won the war.
Pam: Because Eddie Redmayne won the Oscar for portraying him?
Joe: Yeah, he won an Oscar for portraying him losing the bet.
Pam: ...Is that what he won it for?
Joe: Not specifically, but... [laughter]
Brianna: It was that scene that won him the award!
Joe: Well it's a general rule with the Academy that if you're shown reading a pornographic magazine, that you win the Oscar.
Pam: Is that right?
Joe: Yeah. Watch any Oscar-nominated movie.
Pam: ...You can stop recording now. [laughter]
Joe: Okay, we can start wrapping it up a little bit. If I were to guess why I thought this was your favorite movie of all time, I would probably guess it was because George R. R. Martin also wrote on his blog that this was his favorite movie that year. He said that it was "the most ambitious and challenging sci-fi film since 2001."
Pam: What was in 2001?
Joe: The movie 2001.
Pam: Oh.
Joe: So you [Brianna] clearly agree with George R. R. Martin.
Brianna: Yes.
Joe: I don't know if you agree with the fact that he clearly had time to write on his blog instead of writing the books...
Brianna: He can take a few hours off to watch Interstellar, I'm fine with that. Worth it.
Pam: Yeah, who blogs when they could be doing other things? Like work?!
[laughter]
Brianna: Burn!
Joe: Did you feel those same feelings when you watched it most recently that you did when you watched it the first time?
Brianna: Definitely. Just because there is so much in it, and it's such a large epic, that you forget some of the stuff. And then every time I watch it, it still hits me. Maybe not as hard. This might have been the first time... I definitely teared up at the end, but I didn't cry during the "23 years later" tape scene, because that used to get me really bad. So it definitely... yeah, I thought it was just as good.
Joe: And hopefully it doesn't come true, or else it'll start to feel like a Ken Burns documentary.
Pam: Well hopefully, if it does come true, we can get some tips from the movie. About wormholes and planets...
Brianna: We'll send McConaughey, for sure.
Joe: "McConaughey lives behind my bookcase! I swear!"
Pam: That was so cool, that bookcase stuff. I knew that was going to come back somehow, when they were talking about the "ghost."
Brianna: I loved when he finally—with the dust storm, and you see the lines in it, and how he's like, "wait a second," and wrote it down. And then the watch.
Pam: That was something that came back too. She was like, "I'm learning morse code," and he's like, "Why?"
Brianna: As far as scenes that I really loved, there's the scene when he's driving away from Murph, and heading to his mission, how they juxtaposed that with the take-off scene. As he was driving away, leaving, it was really heavy.
Joe: In any other movie, that would've been its own climactic scene. Like, "taking off from earth on this dramatic mission."
Brianna: They didn't even really have a big scene where the rocket was taking off. It was Cooper driving away, and then a cut to him in the ship. The big visual was him in his car.
Joe: To Cooper, that was the more traumatic experience.
Brianna: For sure. Then, of course Shane's sitting there saying sarcastically, "It's a Lincoln commercial!" [laughter] I was like, "Goddamn it. Shut up, you're ruining it!" The docking scene, as well, after McConaughey blows up the part of the ship, and it's spinning, and they still have to dock it.
Joe: We had to pause that, Pam was like—
Pam: I said, "Wait a minute, what just happened? Why is he doing that? Please explain this to me." [laughter]
Joe: "Matt Damon was an asshole."
Brianna: The most frustrating part about that is that the dude could've just gone into cybersleep forever. Just like, turn himself off, and say, "Okay, maybe one day humans will come get me." Why did he have to do all of that?
Pam: So if they got to his planet, if they figured out that it was not a viable planet, they just have to stay there? They couldn't leave?
Brianna: I mean, they did leave. That's the stupid part! He could've just came with them, and they could've gone to Wolf's planet or whatever.
Joe: Right, that would've been the plan, had Cooper not said, "We're not going to that other planet, because I have to get home." That's why Damon took drastic measures.
Pam: "We're doing this for humanity, not for your family."
Brianna: I felt like the repetitive use of the poem, the one that Michael Caine kept saying, I thought was very powerful. "Don't go gently into that good night." Which I thought summed up the movie's message pretty well.
Joe: I feel like I read that one in freshman English.
Brianna: I've definitely heard it before too, but I just like the way they used it. Again, cinematography-wise, the way he was reading the poem while the characters were fighting to keep going. It was really cool. And I liked how there were a lot of gray-area characters. Like with Coop, it was, "Okay, then why did you leave your daughter, then?" Ya know? I get what you're doing, but you as the audience are questioning everyone's motives too. It wasn't like, "Oh, he's the hero, he's saving the planet." Even when he was in another dimension, he was trying to tell himself to stay. Like, screw all this, just stay with your daughter.
Joe: Would you consider that... selfish?
Brianna: No, and I think that's what I like about these characters. You get it. There is a level of selfishness to that, but that makes them more relatable. In a movie that is so crazy and big and epic, it just makes them more relatable.
Joe: I mean, we could give an example on a somewhat smaller scale. I could probably better serve Earth by moving to a pipeline, to protest by chaining myself to a pipeline or something. But I don't do that because my wife and kid are here. And I don't think that's selfish. I hope it's not! It's what's important to me. Family.
Brianna: You're saying you don't just care about yourself, you still care about other people.
Joe: Yeah, I mean... if this was Cooper's situation here, and it was a little more critical, if I needed to save humanity by forgoing the relationship with my child... I dunno. I hope I'm never put in that position. Because I'm... such a good space pilot... [laughter]
Pam: He had a certain set of skills that made him right for the job.
Joe: "NASA needs an unpaid music blogger to save the universe!!"
Brianna: But yeah, I loved every part of this movie. The story itself is really good, but it's everything else about it too that elevates it to my favorite movie. The whole picture.
Joe: Do you think there's going to be a movie in the future that could supplant this as your favorite movie of all time? And I've never asked that question before, because I've never talked to someone whose favorite movie was from the past five years.
Brianna: Um... I don't know!
Joe: What would a movie have to do to supplant this movie, in your mind, as your favorite?
Brianna: It would have to surprise. It would have to tell a new story... not a lot of those out there anymore. Lots of remakes. Which is probably another reason I appreciated Interstellar—that it was so original, in the midst of a lot of remakes. It would have to be a new story, that is relatable, and yet epic, and looks good, and sounds good.
Joe: What about Interstellar 2?!
Brianna: No.
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Sunday, November 3, 2019
Album of the Week: Atrocity Exhibition
Hey, it's Week 40 of Record Club. I think it's time we had a Record Club playlist, no? I've added a song from all 39 of the previous albums to this Spotify playlist, if you're bored and want to go down memory lane. I'll try to keep it updated every week with a song from every album choice.
After you're done with that, you can check out the archives along the right sidebar, and then after you're done with that, you can continue below for our new album.
WEEK 40 — November 3-9, 2019
What we're listening to this week (Joe's pick):
ALBUM: Atrocity Exhibition
ARTIST: Danny Brown
RELEASED: September 27, 2016
WHAT GENRE IS THIS: "Experimental hip hop" says Wikipedia, so I suppose we'll see about that
WHY JOE PICKED IT: Danny Brown's 2019 album, uknowhatimsayin¿, has been treating me really nicely in the past month. I've never listened to Danny Brown before (save for the occasional Run the Jewels guest bar), so I guess I'm interested to see what I've been missing with this guy.
TRACKLIST:
After you're done with that, you can check out the archives along the right sidebar, and then after you're done with that, you can continue below for our new album.
WEEK 40 — November 3-9, 2019
What we're listening to this week (Joe's pick):
ALBUM: Atrocity Exhibition
ARTIST: Danny Brown
RELEASED: September 27, 2016
WHAT GENRE IS THIS: "Experimental hip hop" says Wikipedia, so I suppose we'll see about that
WHY JOE PICKED IT: Danny Brown's 2019 album, uknowhatimsayin¿, has been treating me really nicely in the past month. I've never listened to Danny Brown before (save for the occasional Run the Jewels guest bar), so I guess I'm interested to see what I've been missing with this guy.
TRACKLIST:
- Downward Spiral
- Tell Me What I Don't Know
- Rolling Stone (ft. Petite Noir)
- Really Doe (ft. Kendrick Lamar, Ab-Soul, and Earl Sweatshirt)
- Lost
- Ain't It Funny
- Golddust
- White Lines
- Pneumonia
- Dance in the Water
- From the Ground (ft. Kelela)
- When It Rains
- Today
- Get Hi (ft. B-Real)
- Hell for It
LENGTH: 46:38
READING SOME SHIT: It's been a while since I've posted anything from Stereogum here. Here's an interview with Brown in 2016, right before the album was released.
Happy listening, fam! Have a great week!
Saturday, November 2, 2019
Song of the Week: "52 Girls"
Find the list and hit play HERE.
I was at a wedding in Athens, GA about a year ago. I was more excited about the prospect of being in the same town where Neutral Milk Hotel and the rest of the Elephant Six collective were located. There are other, way more famous bands from Athens, of course. R.E.M., for one.
The other is the B-52s. I remember seeing a big painting of the B-52s in some coffee shop where we were eating breakfast. I thought the painting, which took up the entire upper part of one wall, was totally kitschy, because I always assumed the B-52s were kind of a kitschy band.
But no one told me when I was in the band's hometown about how fucking badass they are. I had no idea that new wave could lean into post-punk so heavily. It's fucking crazy. Seriously, listen to "52 Girls." It's got a driving beat that sounds like a car chase. The guitars sound like they are fighting a shark at a beach party. Cindy Wilson and Kate Pierson are blasting those high-pitched vocals like they hate all 52 girls they are singing about.
Shame on me for making an assumption about any band without listening to them. If the rest of their discography is anything like "52 Girls," I think I might start considering them better than R.E.M.
"52 Girls"
The B-52s
from The B-52's
1979
I was at a wedding in Athens, GA about a year ago. I was more excited about the prospect of being in the same town where Neutral Milk Hotel and the rest of the Elephant Six collective were located. There are other, way more famous bands from Athens, of course. R.E.M., for one.
The other is the B-52s. I remember seeing a big painting of the B-52s in some coffee shop where we were eating breakfast. I thought the painting, which took up the entire upper part of one wall, was totally kitschy, because I always assumed the B-52s were kind of a kitschy band.
But no one told me when I was in the band's hometown about how fucking badass they are. I had no idea that new wave could lean into post-punk so heavily. It's fucking crazy. Seriously, listen to "52 Girls." It's got a driving beat that sounds like a car chase. The guitars sound like they are fighting a shark at a beach party. Cindy Wilson and Kate Pierson are blasting those high-pitched vocals like they hate all 52 girls they are singing about.
Shame on me for making an assumption about any band without listening to them. If the rest of their discography is anything like "52 Girls," I think I might start considering them better than R.E.M.
Friday, November 1, 2019
The Order of Nature, Brian
High School Brian™️ LOVED My Morning Jacket and Jim James, so anything Mister James is involved with nowadays does have a certain nostalgic appeal to me. One of my favorite aspects of PoYB is the anecdotal review, so in that spirit I will
Jim James (such a fun name to say!) playing with a live orchestra is another gig High School Brian™️ would’ve creamed over, and I say the word creamed because you should not associate anything positive with High School Brian™️ as he was a VILLAIN. In addition to being an extremely Jim-James-Ass-Title, I found myself enjoying The Order of Nature a lot more than I thought I would, even if it does ruin any plans of a Phillip Glass/M Ward mashup. I was probably a few tracks into my first listen before realizing how seamless the transitions were, and I can imagine the live performance would be equally pleasant. Therefore, I can only conclude by recommending working oneself into a drug induced fever dream if the opportunity arises to see a show like this in person, BUT only if the concert is seated.
3.5 out of 5 Pukes, would puke again.
The Order of Nature, Pam
When I chose The Order of Nature for Record Club, I honestly didn’t know what to expect. Jim James singing with a full orchestra... sounds interesting... maybe a little pretentious but interesting to say the least. I was also a little nervous about it being a live album. After digging in, I found the album to be heartfelt, hopeful, and incredibly impressive. You can hate this album, but you have to at least be impressed with the work that went into arranging the songs, the live recording (which is free of overdubs), and the fact that Teddy Abrams improvised his entire piano part on "Who Am I?"
You can’t get much more in my wheelhouse than saving the planet and getting back to nature, and that’s pretty much the overall tone of The Order of Nature. The songs hit on political and philosophical concepts like speaking out for what you believe in, reincarnation (which I got really into after having our daughter... driven by an examination of my own mortality and an existential crisis of sorts that seems to be semi-normal for new parents), and not relying on nostalgia, which I feel like is something that Joe and I talk about a lot, weirdly, all the while giving a big middle finger to our orange president. All things I can get behind.
A full orchestra will almost always lend a grandness to the music, and The Order of Nature is no exception. I think they accomplished exactly what they wanted to here. From snowy landscapes to militant political protest songs, the arrangements are what create the imagery here, and beautifully. Despite a few breaks for applause, the album seems like one fluid piece. "Over and Over" felt like the part of the concert where each of the featured musicians are introduced (“ladies and gentlemen... Teddy Abrams on piano...”). And how great is "Set It to Song" when Jim James literally sings about how great it is to sing (“Oh, it just feels good to sing”)?
Despite the darkness of much of the ideas written about here, there is an overall hopefulness that surrounds the entire album, telling us that this will all get better.
The Order of Nature, Rachel S.
Wow! What a treat. I really dug this album and probably would have never found it without this blog, so cheers! Here are my insane thoughts from my idiot brain:
- Immediate Decemberists and Flaming Lips vibes. Those early college days were I was graduating from The Postal Service into real indie rock. The era when I discovered/got really into Arcade Fire, Phoenix, Beirut, Vampire Weekend, the Avett Brothers, the National, Bon Iver, and Rilo Kiley. Essentially I was a walking Garden State soundtrack, and this opener would’ve fit on there quite nicely. And now that I’ve done some googling, I see that Jim James is that buhl from My Morning Jacket so this all makes A LOT more sense.
- Ooo those slow flooding trumpets in the back HIT HARDT. Another move from the National that gets me every damn time. This track is triumphant and bombastic while still being moody. That’s an accomplishment.
- ???? I was responding to work e-mail and wasn’t paying attention. WHOOPS.
- A foreboding track that makes me feel like I’m in trouble in the pit of my stomach.
- There’s a quality to the singing that reminds me so much of the oldies stations and songs I listened to with my parents as a kid. This is a crooner of a song. And the orchestration has black-and-white cinema oozing out of it. Someone resurrect Gene Kelly and choreograph this, stat! This has so much lo-fi nostalgia all over it. And now I want to listen to "Where Do You Go To (My Lovely)?," a song by Peter Sarstedt, and cry by a fireplace or something like that.
- Who am I? I’m feeling romantic dahhhlingg. Is this a dream sequence starring Lauren Bacall? Am I draped in red velvet across a chaise lounge? YES.
- Seize the DAYYYY! Wow, I’m dancing. I’m grooving. I am in a good MOOD with this song! Oooooo these backup SINGERS.
- Set it to song. More like send me to sleep with this sweet lullaby! Sure, it’s a song about death, but I’m a firm believer that Americans are really bad at dealing with death and the more we have art that celebrates it, the better we’ll all be at coping with it.
- "Same Old Lie"—WE GETTIN POLITICAL Y’ALL. I sort of wish tracks 8 and 9 were switched so we could end on a lovelier note. But then again, I understand wanting to get people galvanized. It’s also the most straightforward of all the tracks. The rest, a bit more poetic, or dare I say, flowery? This is straight out of Vietnam-era protest songs. No mincing words here.
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The Order of Nature, Joe
It can probably go without saying that I don't ever consciously seek out classical music to listen to, but I'll say it anyway. It's not a genre that I typically enjoy on purpose. If it's there, great, good for classical music. That sounds fine. Wonderful.
So The Order of Nature was interesting in that we had to turn a critical eye to something that typically is more akin to wallpaper for my ears (I kind of had the same struggle with jazz). Luckily, what I heard, I mostly really liked.
I never really thought about it before, but classic music can easily create a real sense of bombast, can't it? Like, it's almost more dramatic simply because of how many instruments are piling on. I kept thinking about how the final episode of Orange Is the New Black played an orchestral version of that Regina Spektor song, and it felt like it raised the stakes for the finale. Likewise here. There were a couple songs that I was already familiar with ("Here in Spirit," "Same Old Lie") from James' Eternally Even. They were good songs there, but they sound absolutely essential here, with all the strings and booming percussion section and backing choir. Same with "Over and Over" from Uniform Distortion. Wildly out-of-place fiddle solo notwithstanding, it makes a decent rock song sound like the conclusion to some epic prestige movie drama.
I wouldn't be able to pick apart all the sounds here even if I tried, so I guess give Teddy Abrams credit for putting this all together. That's gotta be complicated. I'm not saying I'm going to rush out and buy a bunch of fucking classical music LPs or whatever, but it sounds real nice here.
I'm might just go out and buy a bunch of My Morning Jacket B-sides though, based on Jim James' work here. He definitely has a distinct voice, a bit nasally, and it's honestly surprising how well it works in an operatic setting. Still, though, it would probably be appreciated if he got the rock band back together and stuck to that for a little bit. That's where he shines. (Also, it's worth noting here that the rest of My Morning Jacket spent their free time wisely while James was fucking around with Teddy Abrams, and were the backing band for one of the best albums of 2019.)
Probably the most surprising thing to me about The Order of Nature is how... hopeful it seems? There are a ton of songs out there that take what's happening in the world and turn it into lyrics that basically say "We're fucked." There's not much of that here. And honestly, that's kind of refreshing, in small doses. When James says, "How many lifetimes / How many bloodlines / Until we realize we could all be lovers and friends," it sounds a little hokey, sure, but it also sounds like something we need to remember sometimes, ya know? And it works because he doesn't hit this point too many times. The optimism just kind of pops in every once in a while to say, "Look around, man, the world is pretty great, overall."
"Is there any peace to be found in this lifetime?" Possibly not. But The Order of Nature shows us that maybe there is a way. And it does so with some fucking classical arrangements. What a world.
GRADE: 3.5 pukes out of 5
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