1997
Hayao Miyazaki
Thanks to all those who shared their thoughts about this Ghibli classic.
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Allison
We're on a roll, folks. This was great! In the age of AI-slop, where everything looks like shit all the time, it's so refreshing to watch a genuinely beautiful, almost entirely hand-drawn animated film. People used to make things! With their hands! Despite being nearly 30 years old and set in the mythical past, Princess Mononoke's tale of man vs. nature is the perfect allegory for the modern-day data center debate. It's not much of a debate, though. Tell me you're pro-data center and I'll use my mystical rage to shoot your head off with a perfectly aimed arrow. Fuck, I'm tired of thinking about AI; I'm going to live with the talking wolves.
Question for the group: subs or dub? We watched the original Japanese with English subtitles, but I was intrigued by the English voice cast. I'm curious if version choice impacted enjoyment.
Another question: I'm pretty new to anime, is it too late to make this my whole identity? Because I've been googling tattoo ideas so I can get one of me riding my dog in the style of San and Moro...
5/5
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Sean G.
With Princess Mononoke, Miyazaki reaches a new high point in all of animation. Each frame is breathtaking, intricate, and awe-inspiring. The background art could be in a museum all its own.
Mononoke also feels like a new phase of Miyazaki making more adult films. Mononoke still has some of the whimsy of Totoro in the little forest sprites (and their funny little buttcracks), but while Totoro and Kiki and Porco Rosso all have adult themes, they're definitely present here in less subtle ways. Mononoke is graphically violent, sad, and disturbing (see the unsettling and hard-to-look-at demon worms).
Environmental protection, the threat of industry, and the negative effects of war are all here. We see the violence that war causes, we see the destruction caused by deforestation, and we see the senseless hate that only grows when the animal gods feel threatened by the humans and vise versa. Ashitaka is the voice of reason and of Miyazaki asking the question that may never be answered in our own world: why can't we all just get along? Hate breeds more hate and it spreads like a curse.
Miyazaki lays out Mononoke's themes for us, but this is still a challenging movie that feels morally ambiguous at times. But I feel like really great art doesn't handfeed the answers or solutions to the problems it presents.
Animation filmmakers like Miyazaki and Satoshi Kon (Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress, Paprika) and Takahata (Grave of the Fireflies) show us that animation is not just limited to films aimed at children. We're so lucky that they—unlike American animation studios—are willing to create dark, thematic stories usually only seen in live action cinema.
5 out of 5 pukes. Among my new favorite animated movies.
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Joe
"What is the lesson here" is probably not the lens that you should use to view movies, or at least not the lens that you should use to judge the value of a movie. There doesn't have to be a lesson, or a point. Something can, for example, just look beautiful. Something can be valuable because of what you are able to pull from it, even if what you pull is not the intention of the film. You can also like a film without even agreeing with what it is trying to say. I'm not saying Princess Mononoke is any of these things, I'm just vamping. I do think that this film was beautifully drawn, and I do think it was trying to say something, and I do think that I agree with what it was trying to say. But I don't know if I was able to connect with it. Too silly, at least from where I'm standing.
The problem, as I see it (so take it with a grain of salt, because I'm just one fucking guy without a broad experience with Japanese animated film), is that the motivations of each character aren't very easy to understand. If I find myself asking "why is this guy trying to do this" too many times, then I start to get confused, and then bored. Why the Billy Bob Thornton guy trying to kill a god? Why were the villagers of the dying tribe so quick to send their prince out to die? Was it realistic to say that Ashitaka and San were so motivated by a love for each other? I am NOT saying that it was nonsensical, this plot. I get what they were trying to do overall. I'm just saying that a lot of what happened in the details seemed to be happening just to move some pieces around. The cracks showed a lot.
This is a Studio Ghibli film, directed and created by the master himself, Hayao Miyazaki. Princess Mononoke was nowhere near as easy to love as Totoro and Ponyo and Kiki's Delivery Service, but I think I see some similarities still. And I am also currently speculating as to whether those similarities actually did Mononoke a disservice. The thing I loved about those other films were that they were so chill and kind and simple and beautiful. When Kiki moved to a new town, there was nothing complicated about her move. She met people and formed bonds and learned a lot about herself, because that's just what a character like her would do in that situation. There was no internal struggle. The kids from Totoro believed that a forest spirit was watching after them. There was no moment of questioning that, no conflict in which their father questioned their sanity or whatever. They just lived their life and occasionally had a dream/not-dream that Totoro was hanging out and helping them.
I think Princess Mononoke ends up working in the same way, but that sort of engine does not work as well when there's actual external conflict to worry about. Like, if Jigo is going to be following Eboshi so that they can kill the forest god, and Ashitaka and San are trying to stop them, then we can't just say "well, these are the characters, this is how they exist in this world" like we did Kiki or Sōsuke. We need to know why. There's too much at stake. And the fact that I really didn't get any sense of any of that (through my own fault or through the movie's) was what made me not be able to buy in completely.
Maybe at some point we get a sense of inner conflict with somebody, ya know? I thought Jigo's line about the whole world being cursed was a pretty telling line, right there at the beginning. I don't need to know why he feels that way, I'm not asking for backstory or whatever. I'm simply saying that there needs to be some sort of growth or change with someone throughout this story. There are some characters who are different at the beginning than they are at the end, like Lady Eboshi. But why? What motivated her to move from pure industrialization to a lighter version of that? That just feels like cheap growth because the plot called for it.
I guess I do appreciate the fact that there isn't a clear answer at the end of the film. Environmentalism vs. Industrialization doesn't necessarily have an easy answer. It might feel easy in 2026, as we have traveled so far down the path of the latter as a society that our earth is literally burning to death. But the ideological question at the heart of the matter is less simple. Mostly because humankind has advanced greatly because of industrialization and it's hard to imagine a world as complex and as beautiful as the one we live in now if we were all living with the Keith David boars in the woods. And note that Eboshi doesn't say she's gonna stop what she's doing, she just says she's gonna be more conscious of the needs of the forest. And even before that, she's out there saving prostitutes and lepers and giving them better lives, which means she's technically making the world better, or making her world better at least.
But I never got the sense of why she was doing any of that, or how her decisions affected her, or really became invested at all in what these characters were doing or why. It was all that mystical, magical shit that hits me in the heart maybe 10% of the time. I'm cool hanging out in such a world, especially because it was beautiful drawn and realized, and it comes from someone I truly consider to be a master. I just had a tough time caring all that much one the ball started rolling. I'd love to be told I am wrong, though. I'm hoping that someone is going to be able to change my mind on this one, because I really wanted to like it.
GRADE: 2.5 pukes out of 5
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GROUP AVERAGE GRADE: 4.167 pukes out of 5
Quick, to the comments, before the curse spreads!
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