A thousand years ago, I made a
list of 200 movies I've never seen, and through this project, I will have one day seen 'em (and written about 'em) all.
Drive
2011
Nicholas Winding Refn
Drew A******* and I took a few minutes to email back and forth about one of his favorite movies (or at least one of this favorite movies at one point in time). I insisted that we don't have to get as in depth as we did during our
Cloverfield talk. Ain't nobody got time for that shit anymore. (Plus: spoilers abound!!)
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Joe: You said back in 2019
during your interview that this was one of three recent movies that made you walk out of the theater in a daze, and whose intensity made you feel stuff, man. What was it about
Drive that made you feel this way?
Drew: Thinking back as to why I left the theater in a daze, a lot of it has to do with the music. It has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard (and a score by Cliff Martinez, who I guess used to be in Red Hot Chili Peppers) and it really creates a mood. Those synthy tracks like "Under Your Spell," "Nightcall," and most notably
"A Real Hero," which is used twice in the film... It was emotional, it was sexy, it transports the viewer, and it actually made me feel the feels. And three quarters of the way into the film they throw in a classical aria! The contrast was beautiful. I really feel like this movie would not have been as impactful without the soundtrack.
I could make a lot of other points about why this stood out to me, like just generally being something I've never seen before, and giving them props for holding nothing back with the gore. But I'm curious—as someone who knows a lot about music, how do you feel about Drive's soundtrack/score?
Joe: Yeah, I liked the soundtrack! I did not know Cliff was a Pepper. I would not have picked that up from his compositions here. The other guy who did the score, Johnny Jewel, was literally just in the
news yesterday (well okay, the music blogs) because his band the Chromatics broke up (there's a Chromatics song on this soundtrack).
A lot of the tunes sound like that particular brand of electro-pop that seemed to be prevalent in the early '10s. Was thinking along the lines of Chvrches and Sky Ferreira, and then even male artists like M83. I mostly like all this stuff, but don't necessarily love it.
But it fit the movie perfectly. It sounds vaguely futuristic without it being sci-fi at all, which at once puts the film in a particular time (the early '10s), and not at all. More importantly, it fits the overall minimalist aesthetic that Drive has going for it. The music isn't bombastic or theatric. Neither is the film (save for the opening chase, maybe).
Which surprised me! I thought this was going to be more of an action thriller a la Fast and the Furious. Not complaining! I liked how it was more of a... I wanna say character study? Though maybe that's wrong, since our unnamed protagonist had very little to say, and it was tough to figure out what he was thinking sometimes (long shots of him staring blankly).
I dunno, how would you describe this film? Noir? Mobster? Action? "Genre"? Do you think they did a good job with it, however you choose to describe it?
P.S. Before watching Drive, not knowing anything about it, I would have NEVER guessed that the soundtrack would be the first thing we'd talk about.
Drew: I would definitely describe this as a noir, or more specifically a neo-noir. Wikipedia describes film noir as a "stylish Hollywood crime drama" and I think that's perfectly fitting here. Albert Brooks' character has a great line when he describes the types of movies he used to produce in the '80s: "Kind of like action, sexy stuff. One critic called them European." It's SO meta, as this movie was always described that way since the director is European. Like Euro thrillers, it's a slow burn. The first half tests your patience, but then out of NOWHERE the last act turns into a BLOODBATH, and it's just jaw-dropping. From the moment (spoilers!) Christina Hendricks gets her head blown apart, this movie shows you what it really is.
I guess that's a good segue to the character study point you made, which I agree with. A lot of the viewing experience is devoted to figuring out just who this guy is on the inside and why he does what he does. He's got a full time job as a stuntman, so why does he need to rob banks at night? How does he go from being stoic and compassionate, to then pivot and become a killing machine? They talk about the parable of the scorpion and the frog (which is why he has the scorpion jacket). The scorpion gets a ride across the river on the back of a frog, yet stings him when they're halfway across, dooming them both. The frog asks why, and the scorpion says it's just his nature. It says a lot about the Driver—he usually lives a normal life, yet when put in a hostile situation, it's in his nature to become violent, or even seek out violence. I dunno, maybe I'm misinterpreting it. But there's a lot to unpack with this guy, despite the fact that he says almost nothing.
Joe: Dude, such good points about the meta stuff (it was really funny watching Albert Brooks in this and then having Willow queue up Finding Nemo in the same day), and also the scorpion/frog bit. The second one I especially did not pick up on, and the way you put it kind of gives me a different appreciation of the Driver as a character.
I don't know if it's necessarily a better appreciation for it. Not saying anything bad about Ryan Gosling, who is game to be mostly silent and violent and does a fantastic job with it. But it's more... okay, so we're saying that the Driver's "true nature" is violent, right? It comes out when he's backed into a corner. I'm not sure that that idea for a protagonist is interesting to me. It would be more interesting to lean thematically on what Nino says to him at one point: "You're not very good at this, are you?" Is he good at this? Some might say yes, some might say no, and I don't know that the movie was too interested in saying one way or the other.
Maybe that was the point, that such a movie could strip out a lot of the fluff and become this like spartan noir thriller and still work. And it did! For the most part! It was as sharp as a steak knife. I'm just saying that I don't know that I necessarily find a steak knife interesting. Shiny, and painful, but not interesting. I feel like maybe I need a few more bells and whistles? But what the fuck do I know, it's not like I watch a lot of noir films or actions films to begin with.
This is definitely one of those times when I'm just talking out of my ass, and just becoming more critical of something the more I type about it. Pulling back, I liked Drive, and I would probably give it a 3 or 3.5 (let's see what I land on when I get to the bottom of this blog post).
So I'll ask a three-pronged question about your opinion of this, and then we can put it to bed, unless you wanna walk down any other side alleyways, which I'm totally down for, but not requiring. 1) If this film is of a "type" of film, then I can ask if this is a type of film that you typically enjoy? Or was it a matter of taking a genre to a new or refreshing place, and enjoying it because of that? 2) Besides what we already talked about, were there any other standout moments in or aspects of this movie that you really liked / were memorable, now ten years after it came out? 3) What would YOU rate this, on the grading scale of your choosing?
Drew: 1) Interesting question! I really don't have a "type" of film that I enjoy. I can sink into any genre, as long as it's good. I'd say I generally do enjoy movies like Drive—I can appreciate something slower, stylized, weird. And this movie definitely went in new directions. But there are plenty of movies of that genre that are just bad. The director, Nicolas Refn, followed up Drive with Only God Forgives, which is borderline trash. Then, Ryan Gosling, after doing two movies with Refn, directed his first and ONLY movie, Lost River. It completely copied Refn's visual style and was so poorly reviewed that Gosling hasn't directed anything since. But no genre is perfect! There are good dramas and bad dramas, good comedies and bad comedies. And yes, there are good noirs and bad noirs.
2) I have to bring up my favorite sequence in the film, which is when Driver puts on the flesh-toned mask and stalks Nino. It's different from the rest of the film in two ways: First, the music. I already mentioned it's the only time we hear a classical aria and not synth-pop. Second, the tone. After Nino's car is launched onto the beach, it becomes an '80s slasher movie. It has all the tropes: Killer wearing a mask, non-speaking, holding his weapon of choice (in this case, a hammer), and WALKING toward his victim slowly, not running. It could just have easily been Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers coming to kill Nino. The whole movie is dark, but in this scene we make a definitive jump from crime thriller to horror.
3) ME? I prefer letter grades, and I'd give it an A+. Sounds extreme, but I wouldn't change a thing. I do remember writing a review in The Collegian and giving it 4.5 out of 5 stars, and the only reason I knocked off half a point was that I thought the extreme gore was polarizing. But now? IDGAF, perfect score. I get this movie isn't universally beloved, but it's one of my personal favourites, and I've seen a LOT of movies.
4) MY TURN (Massive spoilers ahead, so feel free to omit this from the blog if you so choose): At the end of the film, do you think Driver is alive or dead? Is he literally driving away, or does it symbolize him ascending into the abyss?
Joe: Nah, I've never been squeamish about spoilers in this column specifically. If you've never seen Drive, why the fuck are you reading a blog post about Drive?
I'll admit that I hadn't even thought of that possibility, that Drive had the same ending as Grease—our hero is riding a car into heaven! jk jk But I sincerely never considered that the Driver might be dead. Two possibilities: one, because I'm a fucking moron; two, because I can't think of another example in this movie of anything that wasn't grounded in reality. Spectacular and larger than life occasionally, but no like fakeouts or trickery or magical realism or anything. In fact, I'd argue that the fact that he is a stunt driver—i.e. that he is making these huge stunts look mundane—says that the movie Drive itself isn't interested in heightening reality either. Take what happens at face value, it appears to be saying.
Then again, the dude got stabbed, and just drives away, so I dunno man, I'm probably just a moron.
Drew: No I'm pretty sure you're right, I'm also confident he's still alive. But it has been debated, and I like how it's got just a touch of ambiguity. People asked about if a sequel would get made and Refn stated: "No, there will never be a second Drive movie. [...] It ends too imperfectly. And that's why it works.". I think it actually DOES end perfectly, since he killed the gangsters to protect Irene, and didn't give a shit about the money. But that's just me.
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GRADE: 3 pukes out of 5
NEXT TIME: Snip snip baby, we got Edward Scissorhands on deck.