"You know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that
list of 200 movies you've never seen before?" "What list of 200 movies I've never seen before?"
1974
Mel Brooks
We're getting toward the end. This will be Frank's final appearance in these hallowed NSI halls (besides the final post, movie #200, 8½, for which I'm inviting every previous participant to return). I've valued Frank's insights immensely over these past five years. He's added so much to my understanding of film. I'm currently whipping up a new blog project for when Never Seen It finally ends, and I'm hoping and praying that Frank wants to be a part of it.
For now, here are Frank's thoughts (and some of my thoughts too) about Young Frankenstein.
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FRANK: I'll tip my hand at the top: I love this movie. I was raised on this movie. My mom loves this movie, and would show the opening scene in the lecture room to first-year med students to explain the central nervous system. I can't look objectively at this movie, I've seen it too many times, it's too pervasive in my psyche. I think it's nearly perfect.
Having seen the 1930s Frankenstein and Bride of Frankenstein, it is a perfect parody. A lot of the characters are straight carryovers. But you absolutely don't have to have any knowledge of those movies for this movie to work. I think everything holds up on its own.
I also think what makes great comedies stand the test of time is when their pop culture jokes can become absurdist jokes. What I mean is if you are referencing something specific that everyone would understand as a current reference, could I laugh at it as a silly non-sequitur without even knowing it's a reference?
Naked Gun and
Airplane! are full of these for me. I bet
Austin Powers will be that for my kids.
I think everybody in it is pitch perfect and never better. MAYBE Willy Wonka for Gene Wilder, but it's certainly close.
I would love to know what you think works or doesn't work in this. I normally respect all opinions and rights to like or dislike what you want, but I will probably debate for this one.
JOE: Yeah, sure, I liked it. Don't let me damn this thing with faint praise, though. Is it objectively a good movie? Probably, and you'd say the same. But this film project is more concerned with the subjective, and here's where we stand: I've seen it once, and thought it was pretty good, you've seen it a million times and can quote it and it has, over the span of multiple decades, seeped into your soul. I like the idea of a film doing that, and I'm not going to stand in your way of having those feelings about Young Frankenstein. Because, like, shouldn't your opinion count more? The more you see it, and the more important it becomes to you, then the more authority you have on the subject, right? Even if your mom forced you to watch this film ten times (hypothetically), if you didn't like it, you wouldn't have watched it that eleventh time.
So instead of attempting to say something along the lines of "Young Frankenstein probably isn't as good as you think it is"—because who the fuck am I to say it—I'll use this as an opportunity to pick your brain a little bit. About comedy!!!!!
I went back and read my
Blazing Saddles write-up before writing this email. First of all, I didn't realize that these Mel Brooks joints were released in the same year, which is pretty crazy. Second, put all the handwringing about racial insensitivities to the side—they are important generally, but not in the context of
Young Frankenstein. What I'm mainly focused on is the idea of "is this funny," and if not, then "why is this not funny." It's easier to talk about here, when racist terms aren't distracting.
Was Young Frankenstein funny? Yes. Objectively, I laughed more than I did with Blazing Saddles. Have I laughed more at other movies I've seen this year... or this week? Also yes. That's not to say it's not funny, I think it's more to do with comedic sensibilities. I'm curious about your thoughts on this, being in my mind the foremost authority in my life on the subject of Comedy. But I was thinking about how it's possible that Young Frankenstein—over 50 years old at this point—has, due to age, a more basic understanding of comedy. Calling this movie "basic" is as unfair as saying that Stevie Wonders' Innervisions is "basic." There have been innovations over the course of a half a century. I have been privy to those innovations. Different tempo, different content, more opportunities for meta humor, etc. Just because I laughed more at the 2025 children's film Dog Man doesn't mean that the comedy is better in Dog Man. It just means that the creators of Dog Man had 50+ more years of comedy to build on. Any legitimacy to this theory?
I was thinking about this when I was reading about the "walk this way" joke, too. Early in the film, Igor says to Frankenstein "walk this way," and Frankenstein starts to literally walk in the manner that Igor is walking, a play on the dual meaning of the word "way." Mid-tier joke, and in my mind, very "basic." Slight chuckle inducing at best. However! Apparently, this is not a new joke, but is repeated from an old vaudeville joke, shown on screen as early as the 1930s, and memorably in at least one Three Stooges bit from 1951. So a couple things here. One, my own personal knowledge of the history of comedy limits my view—what I saw as kinda funny and kinda lame gag actually had deep roots, and so who am I to comment on how funny it is. Two, and somewhat conversely, the joke was old but not old enough for the need to change it in any way. It's still the same joke as it existed in 1974. This is how such a joke can still seem "basic" to me.
None of this is to say that Young Frankenstein wasn't funny to me. I'm just saying that, because it's basic stuff, I'm not laughing at it as much, because I've already seen these jokes in other forms. Still funny. A few funny bits off the top of my head. Obviously, the punchline of the Monster trying to yell "puttin' on the ritz" is fucking great. I liked the late-movie line of "Oh, you men are all alike, seven or eight quick ones and then you're out with the boys to boast and brag." In general, I liked how Igor was basically just a normal guy who happened to have a hunch, and was put off by the fact that Frankenstein seemed to assume that Igor was going to be a weirdo. That makes me think of the "you made a yummy sound" bit, which I liked.
I think maybe that's the biggest difference between
Young Frankenstein and
Blazing Saddles. There were fewer "funny hats"—i.e. things that are funny because they look silly and no other reason—and more "funny logic"—i.e. things that are funny because they upend expectations. The distinction between the two is one of the most important things I learned throughout the comedies of Never Seen It. A movie like
The Jerk, which is wall-to-wall funny hats, is not gonna be my kinda movie.
Young Frankenstein had a few funny hats—Inspector Kemp, mostly—but was more content to use funny logic. I would've expected Igor to be creepy and weird and outrageous, but he wasn't, and that's what made it funny.
Let me make it clear to you and to everyone reading this that this is NOT me presenting myself as a dude who knows anything about comedy. This is me instead setting up the tee and placing the ball on the tee and handing you the heavy metal bat and asking you to swing as hard as you can. IS YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN FUNNY??? IF SO WHY?!?!?!
I'll take Willy Wonka over most movies any day. I'll make my kids watch Austin Powers in, at most, five years from now.
FRANK: I think it's crazy how well Willy Wonka holds up. It's all verbal jokes, and those don't always age well. My kids also LOVE it, so it's not just nostalgia, it's got some universal quality.
It's funny when I think of
Young Frankenstein, I don't think of it as the funniest movie of all time. I don't even know how many times it makes me laugh out loud. I think
Monty Python,
Naked Gun,
Airplane!,
Best in Show,
Spinal Tap,
Anchorman, and
Wet Hot American Summer all make me laugh out loud more. Is it crazy to say what works better in this is it looks better? Like Mel Brooks is copying a cinematography style and nailing a pastiche and literally even filming with the old universal monster making equipment from the
Frankenstein movies. It just has a clear love and admiration for the source material. All great comedy I think is taken very thoughtfully by the creators, with a few exceptions. I once heard Conan O'Brien talk about how it bummed him out that there were a lot of up-and-coming comedians whose take away from his show was "be dumb," and he essentially was like "Do you know how hard the greats have to work to make things dumb? Do you know how many hours of practice and writing and understanding of craft you have to have before you can break something down to dumb and silly?" Some people can just be naturally funny, of course. I think his point was Andy Kaufman can do anti-humor. You're just making people uncomfortable, and the fact that you can't tell the difference means you're not ready.
Anyway, I ramble and my mind wanders, but I do think there is an expiration on laugh-out-loud humor, and fifty years might be it. And pastiche-wise, I mean, those movies were already forty years old when he made Young Frankenstein. It would be like Tina Fey making a beat for beat parody of E.T. next year. Insanity.
You absolutely nail the too many funny hats. This is a very Upright Citizens Brigade note, so you are well on your way to a Harold class FINALLY. When they teach improv at UCB, they teach to take the first absurd thing and then build on that for all it's worth until it's dead, because it gives you something you can build on instead of just a one-off joke.
So is Young Frankenstein funny? I think so? I think its lasting impact is more that it is just a well-made movie, and a better template of how to make a parody movie. Like, I think Young Frankenstein will age better because of good bones than, say, Scary Movie 2 twenty years from now. It works as a movie, and it's lean and doesn't stay too long, and to your point, almost all the jokes serve to propel the story forward.
I will die on the hill, though, of physical comedy aging the best, and I will always laugh at Gene Wilder stabbing himself in the leg with the scalpel, or kicking the guy in the nuts. Dialogue norms come and go, groin shots are forever.
Things I love:
"Taffeta, darling" "Taffeta, sweetheart" "No, the dress is taffeta" — Really, all scenes with Madeline Kahn, I think she is just an absolute powerhouse of silly.
"Werewolf" "Werewolf?" "There wolf, there castle" "Why are you talking that way?" "I thought you wanted to!" — Dumb, dumb vaudeville bits. Basic as can be. The value is all in the delivery. These are guys who spent years in theater and vaudeville and writing and acting on variety TV. I think this joke doesn't work ninety-nine times out of a hundred. It goes to my point that it's actually a master that can make a basic joke hold up to even a head nod today.
Frau Blucher's name making the horses neigh every time — When I was like twelve, a man in a Barnes & Noble (DONT ASK ME HOW THIS CAME UP, APPARENTLY I WAS JUST TALKING TO OLD MEN IN BOOKSTORES) told me that this happens because "Blucher" is the name of the largest glue factory in Germany. This made it funnier to me for years, the ultimate inside baseball joke. IT TURNS OUT THIS IS AN OFT-TOLD LIE. It isn't the name of a factory, or the German word for glue. I often love Snopes for the work they do in debunking quackery, but
this is one where I wish the legend was still true in my heart.
To your point of Dog Man having built on fifty years of comedy... I think something to consider when thinking of Young Frankenstein's greatness, or Stevie Wonder's, or Elvis or Van Gogh or whoever, is that, without seeing it, I know that Dog Man is a direct joke descendent of Mel Brooks. Like going back to the days of vaudeville, through to slapstick comedies, through to Noël Coward one-liners, through to Marx Brothers gags, through to Sid Caesar, through to Mel Brooks, through to Zucker Brothers, through to 30 Rock, through to TikTok BEEPBOOP, there are jokes that have worked and been passed down, or jokes that were great at the time that directly inspired the next great person. And there are 1000 comedians who were doing stuff at the time that got lost to time because their jokes weren't as good as the "walk this way" gag. The basic joke is the one that has survived and matured and refined hundreds of years. It might not have had a literal walk this way joke in it, but I guarantee Dog Man had a spiritual "walk this way" joke in it. Because all comedy is FRAUD that is just STEALING.
Comedy is tragedy plus time, it's a release of pathos, it's letting go of the trauma of the absurdity of our existence on a mortal coil that doesn't care about us, all wrapped up in slipping on a banana peel. It can come in the form of misanthropy, or it can come in the form of a sincere love of humanity and how stupid we are. I think this is the latter.
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FRANK'S GRADE (I assume): 5 pukes out of 5
JOE'S GRADE: 3.5 pukes out of 5
NEXT TIME: We are finished the portion of this list with movies that start with a letter, and move on to the seven movies who titles start with a number. It's 12 Angry Men.